The behaviour of blackhole and prohibit routes has been corrected by setting
the input and output pointers of the dst variable appropriately. For
blackhole routes, they are set to dst_discard and to ip6_pkt_discard and
ip6_pkt_discard_out respectively for prohibit routes.
ipv6: ip6_pkt_prohibit(_out) should not depend on
CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES
We need ip6_pkt_prohibit(_out) available without
CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES
Signed-off-by: Kamala R <kamala@aristanetworks.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
As the rfc 4191 said, the Router Preference and Lifetime values in a
::/0 Route Information Option should override the preference and lifetime
values in the Router Advertisement header. But when the kernel deals with
a ::/0 Route Information Option, the rt6_get_route_info() always return
NULL, that means that overriding will not happen, because those default
routers were added without flag RTF_ROUTEINFO in rt6_add_dflt_router().
In order to deal with that condition, we should call rt6_get_dflt_router
when the prefix length is 0.
Signed-off-by: Duan Jiong <duanj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Now rt6_alloc_cow() is only called by ip6_pol_route() when
rt->rt6i_flags doesn't contain both RTF_NONEXTHOP and RTF_GATEWAY,
and rt->rt6i_flags hasn't been changed in ip6_rt_copy().
So there is no neccessary to judge whether rt->rt6i_flags contains
RTF_GATEWAY or not.
Signed-off-by: Duan Jiong <duanj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Conflicts:
drivers/net/ethernet/emulex/benet/be.h
drivers/net/netconsole.c
net/bridge/br_private.h
Three mostly trivial conflicts.
The net/bridge/br_private.h conflict was a function signature (argument
addition) change overlapping with the extern removals from Joe Perches.
In drivers/net/netconsole.c we had one change adjusting a printk message
whilst another changed "printk(KERN_INFO" into "pr_info(".
Lastly, the emulex change was a new inline function addition overlapping
with Joe Perches's extern removals.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
After reading the function rt6_check_neigh(), we can
know that the RT6_NUD_FAIL_SOFT can be returned only
when the IS_ENABLE(CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF) is false.
so in function find_match(), there is no need to execute
the statement !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF).
Signed-off-by: Duan Jiong <duanj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
On receiving a packet too big icmp error we check if our current cached
dst_entry in the socket is still valid. This validation check did not
care about the expiration of the (cached) route.
The error path I traced down:
The socket receives a packet too big mtu notification. It still has a
valid dst_entry and thus issues the ip6_rt_pmtu_update on this dst_entry,
setting RTF_EXPIRE and updates the dst.expiration value (which could
fail because of not up-to-date expiration values, see previous patch).
In some seldom cases we race with a) the ip6_fib gc or b) another routing
lookup which would result in a recreation of the cached rt6_info from its
parent non-cached rt6_info. While copying the rt6_info we reinitialize the
metrics store by copying it over from the parent thus invalidating the
just installed pmtu update (both dsts use the same key to the inetpeer
storage). The dst_entry with the just invalidated metrics data would
just get its RTF_EXPIRES flag cleared and would continue to stay valid
for the socket.
We should have not issued the pmtu update on the already expired dst_entry
in the first placed. By checking the expiration on the dst entry and
doing a relookup in case it is out of date we close the race because
we would install a new rt6_info into the fib before we issue the pmtu
update, thus closing this race.
Not reliably updating the dst.expire value was fixed by the patch "ipv6:
reset dst.expires value when clearing expire flag".
Reported-by: Steinar H. Gunderson <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>
Reported-by: Valentijn Sessink <valentyn@blub.net>
Cc: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Reviewed-by: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Tested-by: Valentijn Sessink <valentyn@blub.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Conflicts:
drivers/net/usb/qmi_wwan.c
include/net/dst.h
Trivial merge conflicts, both were overlapping changes.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Routes need to be probed asynchronous otherwise the call stack gets
exhausted when the kernel attemps to deliver another skb inline, like
e.g. xt_TEE does, and we probe at the same time.
We update neigh->updated still at once, otherwise we would send to
many probes.
Cc: Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>
Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Make sure rt6i_gateway contains nexthop information in
all routes returned from lookup or when routes are directly
attached to skb for generated ICMP packets.
The effect of this patch should be a faster version of
rt6_nexthop() and the consideration of local addresses as
nexthop.
Signed-off-by: Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
setting fl6.flowi6_flags as zero after memset is redundant, Remove it.
Signed-off-by: Li RongQing <roy.qing.li@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Dumping routes on a system with lots rt6_infos in the fibs causes up to
11-order allocations in seq_file (which fail). While we could switch
there to vmalloc we could just implement the streaming interface for
/proc/net/ipv6_route. This patch switches /proc/net/ipv6_route from
single_open_net to seq_open_net.
loff_t *pos tracks dst entries.
Also kill never used struct rt6_proc_arg and now unused function
fib6_clean_all_ro.
Cc: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Cc: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
RFC 4861 says that the IP source address of the Redirect is the
same as the current first-hop router for the specified ICMP
Destination Address, so the gateway should be taken into
consideration when we find the route for redirect.
There was once a check in commit
a6279458c5 ("NDISC: Search over
all possible rules on receipt of redirect.") and the check
went away in commit b94f1c0904
("ipv6: Use icmpv6_notify() to propagate redirect, instead of
rt6_redirect()").
The bug is only "exploitable" on layer-2 because the source
address of the redirect is checked to be a valid link-local
address but it makes spoofing a lot easier in the same L2
domain nonetheless.
Thanks very much for Hannes's help.
Signed-off-by: Duan Jiong <duanj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
It will be used by vxlan, and may not be inlined.
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Conflicts:
drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/pcie/trans.c
include/linux/inetdevice.h
The inetdevice.h conflict involves moving the IPV4_DEVCONF values
into a UAPI header, overlapping additions of some new entries.
The iwlwifi conflict is a context overlap.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
rfc 4861 says the Redirected Header option is optional, so
the kernel should not drop the Redirect Message that has no
Redirected Header option. In this patch, the function
ip6_redirect_no_header() is introduced to deal with that
condition.
Signed-off-by: Duan Jiong <duanj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
As pointed out by Eric Dumazet, net->ipv6.ip6_rt_last_gc should
hold the last time garbage collector was run so that we should
update it whenever fib6_run_gc() calls fib6_clean_all(), not only
if we got there from ip6_dst_gc().
Signed-off-by: Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
On a high-traffic router with many processors and many IPv6 dst
entries, soft lockup in fib6_run_gc() can occur when number of
entries reaches gc_thresh.
This happens because fib6_run_gc() uses fib6_gc_lock to allow
only one thread to run the garbage collector but ip6_dst_gc()
doesn't update net->ipv6.ip6_rt_last_gc until fib6_run_gc()
returns. On a system with many entries, this can take some time
so that in the meantime, other threads pass the tests in
ip6_dst_gc() (ip6_rt_last_gc is still not updated) and wait for
the lock. They then have to run the garbage collector one after
another which blocks them for quite long.
Resolve this by replacing special value ~0UL of expire parameter
to fib6_run_gc() by explicit "force" parameter to choose between
spin_lock_bh() and spin_trylock_bh() and call fib6_run_gc() with
force=false if gc_thresh is reached but not max_size.
Signed-off-by: Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Current net name space has only one genid for both IPv4 and IPv6, it has below
drawbacks:
- Add/delete an IPv4 address will invalidate all IPv6 routing table entries.
- Insert/remove XFRM policy will also invalidate both IPv4/IPv6 routing table
entries even when the policy is only applied for one address family.
Thus, this patch attempt to split one genid for two to cater for IPv4 and IPv6
separately in a fine granularity.
Signed-off-by: Fan Du <fan.du@windriver.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Seting rt->rt6i_nsiblings to zero is rebundant, because above memset
zeroed the rest of rt excluding the first dst memember.
Signed-off-by: Fan Du <fan.du@windriver.com>
Acked-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Cc: Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This is a follow-up patch to 3630d40067
("ipv6: rt6_check_neigh should successfully verify neigh if no NUD
information are available").
Since the removal of rt->n in rt6_info we can end up with a dst ==
NULL in rt6_check_neigh. In case the kernel is not compiled with
CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF we should also select a route with unkown
NUD state but we must not avoid doing round robin selection on routes
with the same target. So introduce and pass down a boolean ``do_rr'' to
indicate when we should update rt->rr_ptr. As soon as no route is valid
we do backtracking and do a lookup on a higher level in the fib trie.
v2:
a) Improved rt6_check_neigh logic (no need to create neighbour there)
and documented return values.
v3:
a) Introduce enum rt6_nud_state to get rid of the magic numbers
(thanks to David Miller).
b) Update and shorten commit message a bit to actualy reflect
the source.
Reported-by: Pierre Emeriaud <petrus.lt@gmail.com>
Cc: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
After the removal of rt->n we do not create a neighbour entry at route
insertion time (rt6_bind_neighbour is gone). As long as no neighbour is
created because of "useful traffic" we skip this routing entry because
rt6_check_neigh cannot pick up a valid neighbour (neigh == NULL) and
thus returns false.
This change was introduced by commit
887c95cc1d ("ipv6: Complete neighbour
entry removal from dst_entry.")
To quote RFC4191:
"If the host has no information about the router's reachability, then
the host assumes the router is reachable."
and also:
"A host MUST NOT probe a router's reachability in the absence of useful
traffic that the host would have sent to the router if it were reachable."
So, just assume the router is reachable and let's rt6_probe do the
rest. We don't need to create a neighbour on route insertion time.
If we don't compile with CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF (RFC4191 support)
a neighbour is only valid if its nud_state is NUD_VALID. I did not find
any references that we should probe the router on route insertion time
via the other RFCs. So skip this route in that case.
v2:
a) use IS_ENABLED instead of #ifdefs (thanks to Sergei Shtylyov)
Reported-by: Pierre Emeriaud <petrus.lt@gmail.com>
Cc: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
There is no reason to skip ECMP lookup when oif is specified, but this implies
to check oif given by user when selecting another route.
When the new route does not match oif requirement, we simply keep the initial
one.
Spotted-by: dingzhi <zhi.ding@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Reduce the uses of this unnecessary typedef.
Done via perl script:
$ git grep --name-only -w ctl_table net | \
xargs perl -p -i -e '\
sub trim { my ($local) = @_; $local =~ s/(^\s+|\s+$)//g; return $local; } \
s/\b(?<!struct\s)ctl_table\b(\s*\*\s*|\s+\w+)/"struct ctl_table " . trim($1)/ge'
Reflow the modified lines that now exceed 80 columns.
Signed-off-by: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This corrects an regression introduced by "net: Use 16bits for *_headers
fields of struct skbuff" when NET_SKBUFF_DATA_USES_OFFSET is not set. In
that case skb->tail will be a pointer whereas skb->transport_header
will be an offset from head. This is corrected by using wrappers that
ensure that comparisons and calculations are always made using pointers.
Signed-off-by: Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
So far, only net_device * could be passed along with netdevice notifier
event. This patch provides a possibility to pass custom structure
able to provide info that event listener needs to know.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
v2->v3: fix typo on simeth
shortened dev_getter
shortened notifier_info struct name
v1->v2: fix notifier_call parameter in call_netdevice_notifier()
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
With decnet converted, we can finally get rid of rta_buf and its
computations around it. It also gets rid of the minimal header
length verification since all message handlers do that explicitly
anyway.
Signed-off-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Setting net.ipv6.conf.<interface>.accept_ra=2 causes the kernel
to accept RAs even when forwarding is enabled. However, enabling
forwarding purges all default routes on the system, breaking
connectivity until the next RA is received. Fix this by not
purging default routes on interfaces that have accept_ra=2.
Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Acked-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Acked-by: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Eric Dumazet wrote:
| Some strange crashes happen in rt6_check_expired(), with access
| to random addresses.
|
| At first glance, it looks like the RTF_EXPIRES and
| stuff added in commit 1716a96101
| (ipv6: fix problem with expired dst cache)
| are racy : same dst could be manipulated at the same time
| on different cpus.
|
| At some point, our stack believes rt->dst.from contains a dst pointer,
| while its really a jiffie value (as rt->dst.expires shares the same area
| of memory)
|
| rt6_update_expires() should be fixed, or am I missing something ?
|
| CC Neil because of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=892060
Because we do not have any locks for dst_entry, we cannot change
essential structure in the entry; e.g., we cannot change reference
to other entity.
To fix this issue, split 'from' and 'expires' field in dst_entry
out of union. Once it is 'from' is assigned in the constructor,
keep the reference until the very last stage of the life time of
the object.
Of course, it is unsafe to change 'from', so make rt6_set_from simple
just for fresh entries.
Reported-by: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Reported-by: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
CC: Gao Feng <gaofeng@cn.fujitsu.com>
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Reviewed-by: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Reported-by: Steinar H. Gunderson <sesse@google.com>
Reviewed-by: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
proc_net_remove is only used to remove proc entries
that under /proc/net,it's not a general function for
removing proc entries of netns. if we want to remove
some proc entries which under /proc/net/stat/, we still
need to call remove_proc_entry.
this patch use remove_proc_entry to replace proc_net_remove.
we can remove proc_net_remove after this patch.
Signed-off-by: Gao feng <gaofeng@cn.fujitsu.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Right now, some modules such as bonding use proc_create
to create proc entries under /proc/net/, and other modules
such as ipv4 use proc_net_fops_create.
It looks a little chaos.this patch changes all of
proc_net_fops_create to proc_create. we can remove
proc_net_fops_create after this patch.
Signed-off-by: Gao feng <gaofeng@cn.fujitsu.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Commit 2152caea ("ipv6: Do not depend on rt->n in rt6_probe().")
introduce a bug to try to update "updated" time in neighbour
structure.
Update the "updated" time only if neighbour is available.
Bug was found by Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Because of rt->n removal, we do not need neigh argument any more.
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
CC: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
CC: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
neigh->nud_state and neigh->updated are under protection of
neigh->lock.
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The only user is cxgb3 driver.
old_neigh is used to check device change, but it must not happen
on redirect. In this sense, we can remove old_neigh argument.
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
I believe this commit from 2008 was incorrect:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=398bcbebb6f721ac308df1e3d658c0029bb74503
When CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF is disabled, the kernel should follow
RFC4861 section 6.3.6: if no route is NUD_VALID, then traffic should be
sprayed across all routers (indirectly triggering NUD) until one of them
becomes NUD_VALID.
However, the following experiment demonstrates that this does not work:
1) Connect to an IPv6 network.
2) Change the router's MAC (and link-local) address.
The kernel will lock onto the first router and never try the new one, even
if the first becomes unreachable. This patch fixes the problem by
allowing rt6_check_neigh() to return 0; if all routers return 0, then
rt6_select() will fall back to round-robin behavior.
This patch should have no effect when CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF=y.
Note that rt6_check_neigh() is only used in a boolean context, so I've
changed its return type accordingly.
Signed-off-by: Paul Marks <pmarks@google.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Allow an unpriviled user who has created a user namespace, and then
created a network namespace to effectively use the new network
namespace, by reducing capable(CAP_NET_ADMIN) and
capable(CAP_NET_RAW) calls to be ns_capable(net->user_ns,
CAP_NET_ADMIN), or capable(net->user_ns, CAP_NET_RAW) calls.
Settings that merely control a single network device are allowed.
Either the network device is a logical network device where
restrictions make no difference or the network device is hardware NIC
that has been explicity moved from the initial network namespace.
In general policy and network stack state changes are allowed while
resource control is left unchanged.
Allow the SIOCSIFADDR ioctl to add ipv6 addresses.
Allow the SIOCDIFADDR ioctl to delete ipv6 addresses.
Allow the SIOCADDRT ioctl to add ipv6 routes.
Allow the SIOCDELRT ioctl to delete ipv6 routes.
Allow creation of ipv6 raw sockets.
Allow setting the IPV6_JOIN_ANYCAST socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_FL_A_RENEW parameter of the IPV6_FLOWLABEL_MGR
socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_TRANSPARENT socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_HOPOPTS socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_DSTOPTS socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_IPSEC_POLICY socket option.
Allow setting the IPV6_XFRM_POLICY socket option.
Allow sending packets with the IPV6_2292HOPOPTS control message.
Allow sending packets with the IPV6_2292DSTOPTS control message.
Allow sending packets with the IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS control message.
Allow setting the multicast routing socket options on non multicast
routing sockets.
Allow the SIOCADDTUNNEL, SIOCCHGTUNNEL, and SIOCDELTUNNEL ioctls for
setting up, changing and deleting tunnels over ipv6.
Allow the SIOCADDTUNNEL, SIOCCHGTUNNEL, SIOCDELTUNNEL ioctls for
setting up, changing and deleting ipv6 over ipv4 tunnels.
Allow the SIOCADDPRL, SIOCDELPRL, SIOCCHGPRL ioctls for adding,
deleting, and changing the potential router list for ISATAP tunnels.
Signed-off-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
- In rtnetlink_rcv_msg convert the capable(CAP_NET_ADMIN) check
to ns_capable(net->user-ns, CAP_NET_ADMIN). Allowing unprivileged
users to make netlink calls to modify their local network
namespace.
- In the rtnetlink doit methods add capable(CAP_NET_ADMIN) so
that calls that are not safe for unprivileged users are still
protected.
Later patches will remove the extra capable calls from methods
that are safe for unprivilged users.
Acked-by: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>
Signed-off-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
In preparation for supporting the creation of network namespaces
by unprivileged users, modify all of the per net sysctl exports
and refuse to allow them to unprivileged users.
This makes it safe for unprivileged users in general to access
per net sysctls, and allows sysctls to be exported to unprivileged
users on an individual basis as they are deemed safe.
Signed-off-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>